Friday, January 1, 2010

Protection: Guns And Gold


In his extraordinary book Democracy: The God that Failed, Hans Hermann Hoppe points out that the process of civilization is stopped when government continually violates property rights.

The natural process of civilization comes through delaying consumption, saving, and building capital. Undoing it leads to higher societal time preference.

When natural disasters strike or a gunman robs you in an alley, "the effect of these on time preference is temporary and unsystematic," Hoppe explains.

Victims are entitled to defend themselves against the individual aggressor and prepare themselves for the calamities of the occasional act of God. Resources will be reallocated to defend one against potential robbers, and provisions will be made for potential natural disasters.

However, when government aggresses, it is considered legitimate and "a victim may not legitimately defend himself against such violations." Democracy legitimizes this government aggression because the violence is sanctioned by a majority of voters.

This decivilization process that Hoppe describes continues in fits and starts. The uneducated continue to live in never-never land, believing that each new ruler means change and that their lives and happiness can safely be put in the hands of a kind and caring government. But government's current ham-handedness — with its bailouts, money printing, and rights violations — has alerted more than a few individuals to do what comes naturally: defend themselves and prepare for the worst.
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And the current administration does not seem friendly to the property right of allowing us to protect ourselves. The president believes that only law-enforcement officers should have weapons.

So while high-time-preference folks like Shannan DeCesare shout "Merry Christmas to me" after unloading some gold jewelry for $610 at a gold party, low-time-preference types are lining up in pawnshops and gun shows to buy gold, silver, lead, and guns.

DeCesare attended a gold party that the Wall Street Journal describes as an example of the new Tupperware party. These parties appeal to the cash-for-gold crowd trying to maintain a boom-time lifestyle by unloading their valuables. The cash poor end up taking between 65 and 75 percent of what their gold would be worth to a refiner according to the WSJ.

So, some Americans are unloading their family treasures and cheering for bailouts, money printing, and gun control, while others are stocking up on precious metals, guns, and ammo to protect themselves and their wealth.

There is no question which group is the civilized one.
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39 comments:

  1. goody two shows are going to get an
    eye opener if they live that long

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  2. chipped a tooth on a morganJanuary 1, 2010 at 4:03 PM

    Gold and silver will be WORTHLESS in a SHTF scenario. For Pete's sake, who the hell is going to want your old silver dollar for some food they might have? You can't eat silver or gold. Guns might help but are not match for an empty stomach.

    I laugh at all the pundits that say "buy gold and silver"
    Might as well have a wad of cash in hand, at least it can be burned for heat. Silver? It looks pretty but that is about it. All this talk of a silver shortage........who give a flying leap? So what does that mean? It's a metal, nothing more and nothing less. Even if it does go up in price, it won't taste any different.

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  3. Hmmmm give up a hard commodity that almost always survives inflation/deflation/revolutions in it's worth for some paper that is losing value BY THE HOUR...On top of that actually get less than it's worth due to a couple of drinks, food and a friendly smile?

    Where do I sign up?

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  4. Get 1:03 a dunce cap. Hope he keeps all his assets in a bank.

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  5. To 1:03pm...What you say is right IF the SHTF situation is long term for say months and months or years.

    But as most collapses are like train wrecks...People will need to barter for a while knowing sooner or later...That's where gold, silver, ammo and guns come to play.

    Don't disregard guns...When people get hungry they'll do whatever it takes to feed themselves.

    A gun usually sends them away...Trust me I know was shot back in 1996 and I remember thinking "Got to get the f*ck out of here!"

    The Wild Wild West will be back.

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  6. 1.03 Certified fda approved Mental Midget!!!.

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  7. People that bad mouth gold and silver physical ownership are not right in the head. Yes there are more important things to have such as essentials that is a given.

    But if the argument is that fiat money, held or in the bank, is better; people have just not been paying attention. All fiat currencies fail. The dollar is the USA's 3rd currency.

    All it takes to implode the economy overnight is just one good false flag.

    The dollar must fail. It can't survive under the current circumstances. Gold and silver will be worth something, which is better than nothing (the dollar).

    The stock market is a house of cards held up by near zero interest rates. People don't want to earn 1% on a CD, so they are fleeing to stocks.

    The stock market and the dollar will implode. Those that have the balls to ride the stock market knowing that they could lose it all overnight, more power to you.

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  8. With al-cia-duh busy doing their thing in Pakistan and Yemen hold on to your hats. Nothing like staging terrors acts in a country that has nukes. Idiot-run Empire.

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  9. To 1:03

    I am a farmer. I produce more food than I can eat. You need food to eat. What would you like to give to me for some food? I'd be happy to take your gold or silver in trade, as that would allow me to get something else I need to continue to produce food. Your fiat dollars won't be welcome here.

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  10. Some of you good folk continue to assume that the collapse of the dollar is iminent.
    I still say; what is the difference beteween 10 trillion fiat dollars ( that EVERY ONE OF YOU -
    use EVERY DAY ).
    And 100 Trillion fiat dollars ?
    As long as the people think they are worth something thay can ( and just might) go to infinity ----- and beyond !!
    What's going to replace it ? The friggin'Yuan ?
    The euro = the peso - the Canadian Dollar - give me a break - they're all in worse shape than we are. You cannot physically run almost 7 billion people on precious metals or any commodity for that matter - there simply is not enough available.

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  11. 339 smoke some more crack, there will be no currency, you will have a smart card with a chip for all purchases, cuts out the black market and gives the government all the info on you that they need.

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  12. 4:16 I don't know how to make or smoke crack; although I do enjoy a good Marietta Cabernet ( that's california red wine for all you urban types) You ---- miss the point dude.
    Will your little smart card complete with zombie chip be "real" or will it be Fiat money ?? What the F*ck is the difference that's what i'm asking ( and NOBODY can answer)you ( yes YOU ) are still trading your lifeblood ie: time; energy for "currency" whatever the form that is worthless in reality - it is only "worth something" as long as the next guy will accept it as payment for goods and services. It is backed by --- wait for it ----- Bullshit nothing -- which hey ~! Hello - Is what we have now ! Oh Boy what a difference !!!!!
    And don't give me that cuts out the black market stuff either - for every smart chip you have ----I've got one "just a little smarter" Ha! Welcome to Two Thousand F*cking Ten - You smoke the crack - We'll smoke yer ass --- EVERY TIME .

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  13. 3:39 you just don't understand basic economics. Flooding the economy with trillions of fiat dollars does not keep the status quo. It devalues or even hyperinflates the currency. It has happened many times before and there are no exceptions. All fiat currencies have devalued to nothing.

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  14. 4:16 is correct... yeah, sure we are all 'confident' of the dollar now as long as you can trade your hours for some and then trade dollars for food... but when the FED cranks up the press and there is a trillion or two more... then your dollar want be worth what it is today... and it could go so far down so fast that what it cost you for a Big Mac may cost you 10 times in just a few short years or months...

    then you'd wish you had a bit of silver or gold... real money during either deflation or insurance against inflation...

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  15. "The natural process of civilization comes through delaying consumption, saving, and building capital. Undoing it leads to higher societal time preference."

    What does that even mean?

    There really is no natural process of civilization. It is at odds with nature.

    And what is "the effect on time preference"?

    "Property rights" are what are bestowed on to us from government. Neither one are really derived from a "natural law", as proposed by western civilization.

    What is at odds with nature and humans always is government itself. Without government and the various shades of rule akin to it, humans are free to exist for themselves.

    It is a common misconception among the right who believe as long as "property rights" are protected and the right to bear arms established, all is okay in the universe. But it is a contradiction to think freedom is established out of such government concepts. The two are always at odds with each other, and hence revolutions and collapse.

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  16. Someone will surely want my collection of gold guns and gold bullets. Gold has trading value, and guns and bullets speak volume.

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  17. The reason why people get so defensive towards comments about gold is because that is the only thing they think can save them in a collapse. While it is good to keep gold or silver around as a "what if" or as an investment, that is as far as it gets you. It may not even be very tradable in the future (it may have always been in the past but this is new territory). It's just a hedge. There are a lot of other things that are worth hedging on and investing in as well, like learning certain skills, growing a garden, networking with people, learning about plants, studying your environment, and on and on.

    Those who scream "idiot" because you are not in accordance with them on gold make me chuckle. They are simpletons.

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  18. i do believe the us has immense energy stores of nat gas
    and oil - it is like a saving s acct. we have capped all this
    energy in order to burn thru the rest of the worlds energy. when the time comes we will have unlimited energy while the
    rest of the world begs for ours which will be unavailable
    at any cost to them. the green movement is a scam to protect
    our energy fields and give the rest of the world
    the idea that they control the energy - we do we will we will
    have it all in the end.

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  19. 6;40 - I have thought that exact scenario many times over - time will tell if we are right.
    5:57 - Oh but I do understand economics; very, very well. You CANNOT name ne ONE currency in modern day era that was devalued and in 3 cases; devalued to ZERO --- that were not replaced w/ another FIAT currency that is currently accepted
    Kim Jong is currently doing it yet again as we speak. So - people where are these FACTS ?? I all always agree with the ownwership of guns and precious metals - yeah you might not ever need them but boy ; do they ever keep the other guy honest !

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  20. What is happening to us is what happened to Argentina but on a larger scale.

    The same bankster robbers, same scenario, same names.

    Investigate whether or not gold was worth anything there and you have your answer.

    The truth of the matter is gold and PMs were nearly priceless and could buy up the countryside.

    Use your head. Get yourself PMs.

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  21. Replacement fiat currency? That is your argument 10:04? A replacement fiat currency is never 1:1, more like 1:1000. You are deluded into having faith in banking and our dollar, that is truly sad. Good luck with that!

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  22. The only thing PMS ever gave us was a nation of whiney, demanding house-wives leading to massive consumerism and countless wars. Of course the husbands are just as stupid for listening to them.

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  23. Guns and gold guns and gold guns and gold guns and gold guns and gold guns and gold guns and gold

    Actually when the US collapses so are many other economies going to collapse. It wont be exactly like Argentina wherein all other economies were moving along fine, working towards a greater bubble. If you think gold is going to take care of all of your problems long term, you may want to think/plan again.

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  24. 12:24 That is not my argument - it is just a VERY clearly stated FACT. I hear you about the
    1:1 ratio - which too the best of my knowledege has never been the case ( even within' our own borders). You read things that are NOT present;
    The facts are that when currency's collapse; they are replaced and this replacement is accepted. It has absolutly NOTHING to do with faith in our banking system or the dollar - I reserve faith for the Almighty and let the chips fall where they may when it comes to mankinds little escapades and foray's into new conquests
    of the human kind aka Rome, Germany, China etc. etc. etc all of whom defaulted on their currency and ALL of which was replaced and WHA - LAA - guess what; you travel to the Rhineland & you gets yerself some Duetchmarks man - new day; new dollar. There is no FIAT currency that has EVER withstood the test of time -- our Dollar is NO exception - the 40 million Peso questions are when and how bad - NO ONE is smart enough to amswer either & if they think they are I got some bookies who will definetly take those odds at say 50:1 ( In Euros ). When this does occur The Dollar and the USA will not however just vanish into thin air - all the while there will be transactions being made; things gained; things lost - just like Rome - just like Germany
    meanwhile; most of these people whining about trivial B.S. are left out in the cold - yet again
    while the rich get richer because they know how right on Benjamin Franklin was " fools make feasts and wise men eat them." Some things will NEVER change man NEVER. I started shorting the dollar with Peter Schiff over a year ago; I am now a buyer of most all commodities with these profits - that's the way it works folks if you can't take the heat - well; yeah.

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  25. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    You wise man yeah?
    You eat feasts yeah?
    Fools give yeah?
    Wise take yeah?


    How about when you feast inverse genitals with your work/time/energy so you can acquire inverse genital warmth? Eh?

    ohhh.

    thru successive incarnations you swap genital roles and have at it again. Psychopaths :)

    LIKE WEIRD PSYCHOPATHS YOU ROAM THE PLANET TRYING TO MILK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH AS LITTLE EFFORT AS POSSIBLE. YOU THEN CHOSE AND INVERSE GENITAL TARGET TO HAVE AN INVERSE (NON PILLAGING) RELATIONSHIP.

    IT TAKES INVERSE GENITALS TO LURE YOU INTO NOT BEING A PSYCHOPATH (YOU APE EVOLVED MAGGOT ANIMAL). IN CONCLUSION GENITALS ARE AN IMPORTANT ASPESCT IN DECIDING HOW TO ADAPT TO REALITY.

    THROUGH SUCCESSIVE INCARNATIONS YOU SWAP GENITAL ROLES AND HAVE AT IT AGAIN LIKE THE ANIMAL DOG THAT YOU ARE.

    THAT FEMALE'S FLAPS YOU WORSHIP? THATS YOUR MALE WORKER THAT YOU MILKED DRY LAST LIFETIME.

    NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT ONE LIFETIME YOU MILKED YOUR WORKER, THE NEXT IT WAS YOUR CHILD AND YOU SHOWERED IT WITH WORK, THE NEXT IT WAS YOUR HUSBAND AND YOU SUCKED HIS COCK, I WANT ALL OF YOU TO ENJOY TAKING EACH OTHER SERIOUSLY KNOWING THAT GENITALS WERE THE PIVITAL DIFFERENCE.

    PS. GENITALS.

    PS2. HERE'S A CLUE FOR YOU, LEGIONS OF PSYCHOPATHS THAT HAVE REPRODUCED OUT OF CONTROL. THE PLANET HAS FINITE SPACE AND A FINITE REGENERATION RATE. YOU CAN BE BORN ON ONE PLANET OR ANOTHER, THERE IS NO RUSH TO BE A RAVAGING CHARGING PSYCHOPATH ANIMAL. UNLESS YOU ARE A 0.00001% EXCEPTION (HERE OUT OF GENEROSITY TO PSYCHOLOICALLY RAPE PSYCHO-NEWBS - YOU, AND NOT PART OF EARTHLY INCARNATIONS) YOU ARE BORN INTO EXACTLY THE ATMOSPHERE OF SIMILAR MINDED ANIMALS SO YOU CAN MUTALLY RAPE EACH OTHER THROUGH YOUR ANIMAL LIKE CHARGING AHEAD. enjoy.

    PS3. GENITALS. worship them genitals hobo newbs.

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  26. WOW - is that dude ever screwed up -- too damn funny !
    I printed this am going to post it in our break room - we will use it for hilarious enjoyment for many months although we have NO IDEA WHAT IT SAYS - HILARIOUS !

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  27. I think it says to stop fornicating and raping each other mindlessly.

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  28. Who cares ..................
    I say just live............
    Be happy and party...........steal if you have to..
    Live a simple life and just steal, hell if you get caught u will just get fed and medical treatment........really............just wait till no no is looking and run....its so easy to do ...you have legs dam it use them, that's what they are for....

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  29. check out youtube video- "guns and gold obama"........and dont you say nobody never told ya so!

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  30. guns and gold video on youtube.....watch it!.....the one with Bush on the cover

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