Sunday, March 21, 2010

The Facts on The Health Care Bill

The Firedoglake health care team has been covering the debate in congress since it began last year. The health care bill will come up for a vote in the House on Sunday, and as Nancy Pelosi works to wrangle votes, we’ve been running a detailed whip count on where every member of Congress stands, updated throughout the day.

We’ve also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up with 18 often stated myths about this health care reform bill.

Real health care reform is the thing we’ve fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps.

A middle class family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income — out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible. Many families who are already struggling to get by would be better off saving the $5,243 in insurance costs and paying their medical expenses directly, rather than being forced to by coverage they can’t afford the co-pays on.
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83 comments:

  1. Whatever happened to the good old days when you got your legs broken by thugs for not making your protection payment.

    Now all the hoodlums are elected smiley guys & gals who with the stroke of a pen make you an offer you can't refuse.

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  2. Who in their right mind would play doctor with Barry Soetoro.

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  3. If Obama was a proctologist do you think he'd be an activist and spokesman for people who have fallen through the cracks?

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  4. The Oligarchs will get what they want. More power centralized for themselves. Less power and freedom for the individual.

    The entire Congress is banker and corporate owned. What you desire means nothing.

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  5. Absolutely AMAZING how America has not been able come to grips with health-care over the years, whilst everybody else in the West has.

    Your doctors are OBSCENELY overpaid. Your medication cost are totally out of whack. Hospital stay costs are through the roof. Need I say more?

    Frankly, many Americans would be better off being a Cuban. Overall, he's far better off and... happier!

    Not saying you don't have good expertise in the field (if you're the few who have $$$), but when too many individuals can't access basic services, something is terribly wrong.

    America has truly lost her way. You are not no longer a light to the World. Sad.

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  6. In 2007 in the US we spent $2,300,000,000,000 on healthcare. That is more on a $ basis than any other country. We also spend more as a % of GDP than any other country. Yet the US ranks below many other industrialized nations in quality of care.

    The issue isn't whether or not we are spending the $. We have, we are and we will.

    The issue is whether there is a more effective way to pay for care. There is.

    http://www.cms.hhs.gov/nationalhealthexpenddata/03_nationalhealthaccountsprojected.asp

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  7. america developed mri's, the heart stent, antibiotics, the artifical heart, on and on the advancements in medicine are america's. not cuba, not russia.

    people do these things for profit. if you have no incentive why do it?

    solve the heathcare problem in america? close the borders, send the wets back, give any kid with the brains and the desire to become a doc a free education. the number of doc in this country would skyrocket. imagine all those docs competing (just like the teams in march madness -all u dumb ass sports jocks like competition in bball) for you $$ by opening practices on every corner like a mcdonalds!! throw in tort reform and decree lawyers a threat to the freedom of citizens and burn down half the law schools and add a 50% surcharge tax to all lawyers incomes and an additional 300% surcharge on all law student loans.

    that my dear freinds in health care reform.

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  8. "Anonymous said...
    Whatever happened to the good old days when you got your legs broken by thugs for not making your protection payment.

    Now all the hoodlums are elected smiley guys & gals who with the stroke of a pen make you an offer you can't refuse."

    +1! And the "thugs" are at least honest about what they do, they don't profess to be choir boys. Save for one or 2 like Ron Paul - we have 535 fucking crooks up on the hill jacking up our entire country.

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  9. It's not health care, it's lazy people eating Frankenfood and over stuffing their fat asses. Then when the piper comes calling they run to the federally licensed drug pusher to get fixed. Cause and effect folks, your creator did not make you a failed machine. All living creatures do well when they eat their natural diet.

    Look at the blobs riding around Walmart on the fattie carts. There's your real health crisis.

    Learn how to cook real fresh food fatso and lay off the Pop Tarts.

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  10. 5:24, what you are saying is other people must pay for your ills. F off loser.

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  11. If they pass this bill we lose free will. Not even God takes our away our free will. So if this bill passes I will become a slave to my job, because I will not want to quit it for fear of being fined for not having health insurance. I thought we were a free country where nobody dictates to anybody about what you have to buy. I had planned on quitting my job and starting my own business so I wasn't stuck in a minimum wage job just because of health insurance. This really sucks. So what if somebody just chooses to be a street bum how are they going to pay? What if you have your own business and you can't afford health insurance or can't afford the fine? Are they going to throw people in jail for not paying the fine? Whar if you don't trust doctors and choose to use alternative health care, should you still have to pay? This is not right by all means. Some people choose to doctor themselves or not afraid to die why should they have to pay.

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  12. 7:46: Calling people losers & ignorant fools does not make you genuine. While many of us DO moan about trillions wasted on military, so called war on terror and other socialist programs the attack on our very own bodies is what the health-care bill is about. Much different than grand larceny to fund corporate/political gain, wouldn't you say?

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  13. 7:46 Is the same loser TROLL that always try's to redirect every subject to either Bush and how evil he is or killing brown people.

    maybe we'll gety lucky and a giant turd will fall on his stupid assed head and snap his neck.

    We're all very tired hearing from "it" ( guaranteed this loser is also a fudge packing flamer)

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  14. As every cop is a criminal

    and all the sinners saints!

    As heads is tails just call me


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  15. Hey, some of the nicest people in the world
    are fudge packing flamers!

    Well not really but it's a politically correct sentiment n shit.

    "So you dreamed a big dream. It's ok we told you what to dream" - Pink Floyd, Welcome to the Machine

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  16. No wonder your country is collapsing. You are so divided. You even insult outsiders who make passing remarks on the true nature of America's problems.

    You are truly lost.

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  17. I am confident something had to be done about some of the health care issues in this country. I am not sure what the answers are. I do not believe we have the correct answer tonight. The Dems have got it wrong and the Republicans have been clueless for years about the health care reform. So I am saying, I dislike both parties equally. They have ruined many of the freedoms of our country because of elitism, they have created an upcoming class war that they will never accept responsibility for. They have all walked under foot the Constitution of the United States of America. They have all always neglected to do what is best for the masses and listen to the masses. Our rights to live or die freely is stolen and we can eventually be jailed if we try to do either without the permission or blessings of our government. What can we do? Vote? Sure you can vote. But you will elect more elitists who will enjoy the corruption of the silver spoon. You can bear arms, but even talk of violence will find you in jail. You can accept your lot in weakness and fear, but the jackboots will grind you under their heel. You can carry a sign and scream, but no one listens. This is the only answer... Stay strong, keep your wits, and learn from your mistakes by knowing this one thing ATTORNEYS ARE EVIL WHEN THEY ARE IN OFFICE. On their journey to riches they learn to skin and gut and they become hard and calloused to the masses. When they take office they are trained by their cronies how to use the law to manipulate the law, stay in office and line their pockets. Attorneys are sociopathic evil criminals and they will find heaven hard to attain.

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  18. Germany had a Nazi party that wanted a pro-business capitalist corporate state .
    The Nazi party had a” left “ wing and “right” wing ,both united in their support for capitalism and opposition to communism. A bit like the two party tweedledum corporate state system in America.
    In Germany ,after the “Night of the long knives” the parties organised left wing supposedly out to subordinate ALL capitalist monopolies ceased to exist . Hitlers right wing faction was in control backed by the labor aristocracy and the rich and diverted all “opposition” to capitalism ,its difficulties , its corruption etc away from the monopolies by organising divisive attacks on minorities especially racial minorities and expansionism of the German industries market and job creation by seizing other countries markets . An industrial war programme.

    Under the dual party Monarchical system operating in amerika ,the” left wing” of the corporate state came to power as a unity of middle class liberals and racial or national minorities . The liberals were not happy with the cost of wars and the blatant tax favoritism of the bush Monarch for the rich. Obama the Fuhrer of the corporate state “left” party demagogically promised Hope and Change you can believe in to the liberals ,he poor ,the Blacks Hispanics etc . .But once in power simply continued the bailout for the rich. But now Obama claims he can also afford bail outs for the insurance monopies in charge of Medicare too , despite an already obvious empty till. Printing counterfeit money is bound to expand.

    The predominantly white xenophobic and Islamophobic labour aristocracy class had voted overwhelmingly for Mc Cain promising Empire, in the hope of preserving their bribes and concessions from imperialism. That is class struggle. They are now not at all happy with the left Fuhrer and believe they are the main economic victims of Obama looting ’their” treasury revenues . As can be seen on this website some on the right labor aristocracy are stirring up hate and wildly predict a “restoration” of the old constitutions and even gold as the way out for a bankrupt amerika and the necessity for a night of the long knives to keep the minorities in their proper place. As a decently run corporate state should .

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  19. House roll call: Health care bill
    The 219-212 roll call Sunday by which the House passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. A "yes" vote is a vote to pass the bill.

    Voting yes were 219 Democrats and 0 Republicans. Voting no were 34 Democrats and 178 Republicans. There are 4 vacancies in the 435-member House.

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  20. Hey 5:19 - /You won't ever hear of anyone being turned away from the ER because of the National Practitioner's Data Bank, Secret Settlements and local doctors on the medical board.

    Just cause you don't hear about it dosen't mean it dosen't happen. It happened to me.

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  21. Hey 6:38 I agree. I think there's talk of a consumption tax. What you described in your post I believe is called "stagflation."

    But you should check Ravi Batra's forecasts for the USA. All isn't lost. We've been through tougher times.

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  22. Hey 2:03, 2:31, 5:24, 7:46, 10:51 - I agree. You made a lotta great points.

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  23. Hey Joe Lieberman - do you still feel relevant?

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  24. Hey 6:31 You said about medicine:

    "People do these things for profit. If you have no incentive why do it?"

    Well, do you really think mercenary motives are the only motives, or the highest and best motives? For medicine? I doubt it.

    Hopefully, your doctor wants to heal for it's own sake.

    If you really believe that then why would you expect Americans to fund anyone who is intelligent enough to get into medical school for free? If they have the same motive as you, then they would have no incentive since there's no profit in sending kids to school for free.

    Capitalism isn't the be all and end-all.

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  25. Yo Davos, you're right.

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  26. I just moved back to the US after Bush was gone. I'm so glad that we are inching toward what I had in Europe, I only wish we were doing more. We will end up in the mess Spain is in with this.

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