This is the phase that the current U.S. government is going through. The Obama administration has already taken control of the banks, the auto makers, and the student loan program. With its health care law, it is now in position to start demanding ownership of the hospitals and doctors. With the financial reform law, the administration can begin putting its boot of ever-increasing weight on the necks of business.
All of this is being done to cater to the lower class. It gives politicians a populist talking point and a way of getting reelected. One of the biggest stated reasons for passing health care: 30 million are uninsured. The opinions of the other 280 million citizens don't matter, nor should they, since their opinions are tainted by "greed" (the single biggest sin of the bourgeoisie). The reason for seizing the auto makers: to bail out "working class families" who again are said to be struggling against "greed." The reason for financial reform: to alleviate the "reckless practices" of that place which were caused by "greed." Same goes for the student loan program. Same goes for almost everything this government is doing.
The byproduct of this Socialization is the shrinking of the middle class. When you punish people for working hard, those people will stop working so hard. When you reward people for doing nothing, then you're going to have more people sitting around doing nothing. It's simple logic.
Just keep fueling the ignorance right back to the stone age. The Tea Party movement is about the capitulation of rational thought. Lead us to the slaughter.
ReplyDelete9:07, you may want to go read a little bit about the history of Socialism instead of the imaginary ideas in your head.
ReplyDeleteHitler was a Socialist, so was Stalin. There are only two differences between the Nazis and Communists. One difference is the people they target, the second is that the Communists caused far more deaths.
The Holocaust controlled by the Nazis killed six million people (not just Jews). Communists in Russia under Stalin killed 14 million people (including Jews). Mao took 70 million lives. 16 million others were killed in combined insurrections across the globe.
Communists are Socialists, Nazis are Socialists. Man you guys really have no clue do you 8:39 and 9:07?
The capitalists system creates wealth and betters everybody. Socialism ceases the creation of wealth. It does not give wealth to the poor - it takes from them and gives to the government. The rich do not suffer, everyone else does.
You know why third world countries can use computers? It's because of capitalism. Do you know why in the USA people who are homeless can survive better than many ordinary citizens elsewhere? It's because of capitalism. In capitalism you have production - everyone is upgraded. So those homeless people can eat left-overs or throw-aways.
In Socialism everyone walks around without food. And there are cases where they've eaten their own babies like in the Ukrainian Genocide that was orchestrated by the Soviet Socialists.
Uneducated dumbasses like you two wouldn't know about that. Hell, if someone asked you what genocide was you probably would have responded by telling them it's where a bunch of Jews were killed by Germans.
Sadly you guys represent the typical modern-American.
It's quite evident, facts are facts = Obama is a Socialist. Open your minds a little and you might learn something.
Hitler was a Socialist, so was Stalin.
ReplyDeletePatently false. Both were megalomaniacs who embraced dictatorial totalitarianism at the expense of democratic socialism.
http://www.romm.org/soc_com.html
A common mistake is to confuse Socialism, the economic system, with Communism, the political system. Communists are "socialist" in the same way that Republicans are "compassionate conservatives". That is, they give lip service to ideals they have no intention of practicing.
Communism, or "scientific socialism", has very little to do with Marx. Communism was originally envisioned by Marx and Engels as the last stages of their socialist revolution. "The meaning of the word communism shifted after 1917, when Vladimir Lenin and his Bolshevik Party seized power in Russia. The Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party and installed a repressive, single-party regime devoted to the implementation of socialist policies." (quote from Encarta.). Those socialist policies were never implemented.
http://mattbrundage.com/publications/hitler-and-democracy/
Hitler was not a socialist in the strict sense of the word; this can be shown by his definition of 'socialist', which differs from the norm:
Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, Deutschland, Deutschland, über Alles, to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land, land and people — that man is a Socialist. (Bullock 76)
Hitler's meaning of socialism, therefore did not refer to a specific economic system, but to "an instinct for national self-preservation" (Fischer 125) or nationalism. Concerning the Socialist aspects of the 25-Point program, Hitler made promises "because in 1920, the German working class and the lower middle classes were saturated in a radical anti-capitalism; such phrases were essential for any politician who wanted to attract their support" (Bullock 75).
Hitler had an overall disregard for the masses and refused to accept trade unions or the working classes. Once Hitler was in power, he broke all promises he had made to the workers. Hitler and the Nazi Party did away with collective bargaining and the right to strike. He replaced trade unions with an organization called the 'Labor Front', but this organization was fundamentally a tool of the Nazi Party and did not operate in the workers' favor. According to the law that created the Labor Front, "Its task is to see that every individual should be able to perform the maximum of work" (Kangas 13).
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm
Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
Hitler was a Socialist, so was Stalin.
ReplyDeleteProof, please.
10:09 - government schools have been lobotomizing the sheeple. They know not their own history much less the global conflicts of the past.
ReplyDeleteForget them, they are feedstock for the Soylent Green factory. I've stopped trying to reason with these zombies; don't cast your pearls to these swine. You cannot overcome their years of programming, psychotropic meds and stupid parent(s).
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteHitler was a Socialist, so was Stalin.
Proof, please.
September 20, 2010 10:36 AM "
Anyone so ignorant that they need to ask proves my point above.
...Anony 10:40
10:42 You are so correct as to state that it is useless to spend any time with these self professed Socialists. They are the by product of our dumbed down educational system and will only be turned around when the boot of Socialism clamps down hard upon their spindly necks, or their spineless backbone.
ReplyDeleteWe're still waiting for the proof. Apparently you don't have any. It's just something Glenn Beck told you. Last time I checked, Glenn Beck was not a historian, but rather a moron.
ReplyDeleteIf Stalin and Hitler were socialists, Reagan was a child molester. How's that for revisionist history.
The Tea Baggers, and all Conservatives for that matter, are very close to Communists in their ideology.
ReplyDeleteThe Bolsheviks were Tea Baggers with balls. Tea Baggers are Communists with lobotomies who have had their genitalia removed.
All these posts gave me the best laugh of the day. If you want definitions of Communism and Socialism, just read a damn dictionary. Geez, you conservatives will repeat anything you hear.
ReplyDeleteIf we were socialist, we'd be better off. We might actually have health care for all. Forbes magazine just listed the best cities to live in (for all you rich non-patriots who want to take your money our of the country). Not a single American city was listed because America doesn't have national health care. Instead they listed all those cities in social welfare countries you like to disparage.
Oh, and those "socialist" countries usually provide a free college education. Bet you wished you lived there!
Hmmmm while the "Smart kids" argued ideology the Noodles cleaned his weapons, bought his dry goods, medical supplies and even got his art supplies and books ready for a "Long Emergency."
ReplyDeleteTo quote Mao "Political power comes from the end of a barrel of a gun."
So my suggestion is let the winds blow and come out when the storm has passed.
Prep now...You'll have plenty of time to argue ideology and revisionist history once we're all jobless, playing chess late at night to keep entertained...Possibly drinking a bottle of wine that was bought on the black market for 3-4 times it's actual worth.
BS you say?...Look at old USSR, just about any East Europe country, just about any African country, just about any Central/South American country...BS my sweet ass.
Get ready white people the "Golden Horde" is just 2 weeks away from arising in any bad situation or national emergency where food/fuel supplies aren't coming in.
Thank God I don't live near any major cities...Can you imagine what will happen the day free food, money or fuel isn't coming in to ghettos/barrios where the people aren't smart enough to prep?
11:19 you are the typical public school programed moron. What part of "free college education" is free?
ReplyDeleteFree indicates no cost involved for those receiving. It is free only if you are government cattle on 100% assistance. Someone else must provide the service, i.e. perform the labor, while others that work pay taxes to cover the cost.
All socialism does is adds another level of bureaucrats to run up the cost.
Think before you speak.. if at all possible.
Hmmmm while the "Smart kids" argued ideology the Noodles cleaned his weapons, bought his dry goods, medical supplies and even got his art supplies and books ready for a "Long Emergency."
ReplyDeleteAnd then one sunny day, noodles was out practicing his shot when a predator drone dropped a bomb on him from out of nowhere. Noodles was burnt to a crisp, and all his possessions were left to rot, and the charcoal dust that was now noodles was scattered to the four winds from whence noodles came.
Liberal talk show parrots will be the first ones to fall. Rachel Maddow will be too busy muff diving when SHTF.
ReplyDeletehaha. noodle go boom boom. bye bye noodle.
ReplyDelete..by our own words the problem is revealed to be with us aswell as them..yelling and having to have my ideology as correct..whaa whaa whaa. socialism, communism, fascism, distatorial psychopaths..so what? what underlies them all? are any of the forms good..or evil from a slightly different angle. Nothing will change, proof is the way everyones stuck on dividing over words, to the point they can't see.
ReplyDeletethroughout history ones have told what's been and will be again, most didn't listen, and won't listen now, a world of their making, we choose in life and responsible for our choices and it only hurts when it hits our pocketbook, and now it's to late, for the pocketbook, but not for your soul
5:05 I'm with you until a world of their making part.
ReplyDeleteYou can chose your path my man - but you cannot chose the many, many, many directions it will go
whilst you are trying, ever so dutifully to guide said path in the right directions.
Sometimes it is quite simply; a leap of faith and you just hope and pray your choice is the right one.
You meet a woman, she is beautiful; you are soulmates; you have a child; he is born down syndrome; it tears you both apart; physically, mentally and financially.
After 10 years; there is a total breakdown of anything good that was.
No politics, it never even got that far - just 3 shattered lives.
I think your assesment of the good/evil is damn spot on but life for alot of people never even gets to transcend to that level in the first place !
Yeah, times may be tuff, but let's not jump off the cliff, so many of us who are having a hard time want to live in this doom and gloom world. I just got hired along with 90 others to support a Fortune 100 company. The biggest problem is that the unemployed want their 'old job' back. Hey, get a life, just figure out that you have to restart from the bottom again. With experience you can get there AGAIN!!!
ReplyDeleteTo inform the poster named "noodles" above and to enlighten all others that share his/her's conception of the playing out of helter skelter type "golden hordes", ravageing the cities, I offer an alternative... instead of the current dogma of just the cities being torn by rampaging "hordes", I conjecture that it is more likely that the "hordes" will naturally ravage the suburbs and the areas further out from the suburbs. In my area of south-east MI,I already see the "hordes" breaking into suburban homes, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, this being reported on my six o clock TV news on a daily basis. This is only the begining. As this depression becomes more fully played out, the "hordes" will then go out into your supposed "safe" rural "strongholds" that some of you have determined are invinceable. Don't fool yourselves. These "hordes" are now at this moment ripping off what they determine are the "rich suburbanites" because those suburbs are where "they" think the money and valuables are. As those "hordes" wear out their opportunities there, they will gravitate to your "strongholds" because thats the place where the last remaining "valuables" will be, namely the crops and gardens planted so you survivalists can boast how "self suffient" you are. This is just a "heads up" to bring you down to reality. When the SHTF, I say ppl living in lower class areas like mine will actually be safer than all you survivalists will be in your "strongholds" because where I am is definatly NOT where "they money is".
ReplyDeleteI forgot to add that Hitlers generals began to see that their leader had literally lost his mind enforcing orders that were preposterous. Many of his generals began to walk away realizing that their leader was crazy.
ReplyDeleteHitler used politics AND people because he actually considered himself Napoleon and believed in reincarnation. As the allies were closing in, Hitler and his inner circle hid in the bunkers and partied and Hitler kept issuing orders to his generals to stand their ground because Germany will win. Only those so loyal to such nonsense and only those hypnotized by this evil stood by him.
Just before his death he order all of Germany to be destroyed, never giving heed or consideration to the German people even though his charisma and propaganda charmed the German people into thinking that their leader actually cared about them. And that is why the masses followed him.
Everyone that gets up, goes to work and comes home to sleep and does it again the next day are "survivalists", even if they don't want to be. Those that choose to make better preparations of stored foods, appropriate locations and defensive preparedness will survive, by and large, whether the verbose dilettantes want them to or not. Part of survival is not communicating it to others not in your group and not having an ostentatious presentation of your well being to others, don't rub their noses in it. If there is a TRUE failure of the world financial and transportation system, there WILL be a worldwide famine in most of the civilized world, most particularly western civilization and China. It also will not matter how well you argue your political and/or religious positions as to whether or not they survive. Only the well prepared and careful will have the highest percentage of survival. To be sure, there will be the occasional individual or gang that manages to overcome the odds, for a while, but they WILL be the vast exception and will eventually come to their end. If you do not find a safe haven or magically find a forgotten USG, fully stocked bunker, that you can McGyver your way into, then you will probably die. When the food stops to metro areas there will be riots within 2 weeks and by the time the sheeple (conservative, liberal, socialist, communist, religious, agnostic, patriot, one worlder etc.) realize what's happened to them (surely the government will take care of this) they will be too weak to ravage the countryside and in 8 weeks, probably 70-85% of the metro areas will starve to death and any diseases started by all the death and filth left (cholera, typhus, diphtheria, dysentery etc.)will get another 10-15 percentage points. So, while I don't know Noodles or anyone else here, I would have to put my money on Noodles surviving over the pseudo-intellectuals that poo-poo anyone else's point of view. Yes, yes, doom and gloom has always been preached, but we are now at an untenable position as a species, since our structure has become so complicated, through computers, other technologies and level of population, that we risk a catastrophic failure of our techno-society. If most computers and wireless communications went hard down, it would be weeks, months even years before anything close to "normal" could resume, maybe even decades due to the loss of people. Those that poo-poo the survivalists among us, don't laugh too loud at those of us that "cling to our guns and religion" and our preparation. It is a lot like "there are no atheists in a foxhole", as you may be standing on our doorstep one day with your hand out. You will be fed, evaluated for your worth to the group, and if found worthy you can work for your supper. Otherwise you will be given a few days supplies and sent on your way. I'm sure that chaps, more than a few people's ass, to think that these "survivalist morons" get to determine your eventual fate. It's either that or do something for yourself, either in the way of training, preparation or both. Bon appetit to the people of the "times of excess", when the cupboard is bare. Best Regards and God Speed
ReplyDeleteEveryone that gets up, goes to work and comes home to sleep and does it again the next day are "survivalists", even if they don't want to be. Those that choose to make better preparations of stored foods, appropriate locations and defensive preparedness will survive, by and large, whether the verbose dilettantes want them to or not. Part of survival is not communicating it to others not in your group and not having an ostentatious presentation of your well being to others, don't rub their noses in it. If there is a TRUE failure of the world financial and transportation system, there WILL be a worldwide famine in most of the civilized world, most particularly western civilization and China. It also will not matter how well you argue your political and/or religious positions as to whether or not you survive. Only the prepared and careful will have the highest percentage of survival. To be sure, there will be the occasional individual or gang that manages to outdo the odds, for a while, but they WILL be the vast exception and eventually come to their end. If you do not find a safe haven or magically find a forgotten USG, fully stocked bunker, that you can McGyver your way into, then you will die, also.
ReplyDeletecontinued....When the food stops to metro areas there will be riots within 2 weeks and by the time the sheeple realize what's happened to them (Surely the government is doing something about this, they’ll take care of us, won’t they?) they will be too weak to ravage the countryside and in 8 weeks, probably 70-85% of the metro areas will starve to death and any diseases started by all the death and filth left (cholera, typhus, diphtheria, dysentery etc.) will get another 10-15 percentage points. I look for a loss of at least 80% and potentially as high as 95%.
ReplyDeletecontinued last....So, while I don't know Noodles or anyone else here, I would have to put my money on Noodles surviving over the pseudo-intellectuals, that poo-poo anyone else's point of view. Yes, yes, doom and gloom has always been preached, but we are now at an untenable position as a species, since our structure has become so complicated, through computers, other technologies and level of population, that we risk a catastrophic failure of our techno-society. If most computers and wireless communications went hard down, it would be weeks, months even years before anything close to "normal" could resume, maybe even decades due to the loss of people. Ask your local market manager how their inventory gets replaced. Every time the register rings (I’m that old) it puts in an update order, for the BI-WEEKLY OR TRI-WEEKLY truck delivery, to the main warehouse. It has been so long since manual order entry, there is probably no functionality in place to manually pull orders for a store. Manual order entry has been gone for more than 20 years. Even if there is food there is no way for it to get there. Those that poo-poo the survivalists among us, don't laugh at those of us that "cling to our guns and religion" and our preparation, it is a lot like "there are no atheists in a foxhole", as you may be standing on our doorstep one day with your hand out. You will be fed, evaluated for your worth to the group, and if found worthy you can work for your supper. Otherwise you will be given a few days supplies and sent on your way. I'm sure that chaps, more than a few people's ass, to think that the "survivalist morons" get to determine your eventual fate. It's either that or do something for yourself, either in the way of training, preparation or both. Bon appetite, when the cupboard is bare, to the people of the "times of excess". Best Regards and God Speed
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