Tuesday, August 4, 2009

Ultimate Doom

Stoneleigh: People have been asking how we see the future unfold. In case you wonder what we stand for, much of our view of what's to come can be found in the primers on the right-hand side bar. Here is an additional brief summary (in no particular order and not meant to be exhaustive) of the ground we have consistently covered here at TAE over the last year and a half, and before that elsewhere.

1.Deflation is inevitable due to Ponzi dynamics (see From the Top of the Great Pyramid)
2.The collapse of credit will crash the money supply as credit is the vast majority of the effective money supply
3.Cash will be king for a long time
4.Printing one's way out of deflation is impossible as printing cannot keep pace with credit destruction (the net effect is contraction)
5.Debt will become a millstone around people's necks and bankruptcy will no longer be possible at some point
In the future the consequences of unpayable debt could include indentured servitude, debtor's prison or being drummed into the military
6.Early withdrawls from pension plans will be prevented and almost all pension plans will eventually default
7.We will see a systemic banking crisis that will result in bank runs and the loss of savings
8.Prices will fall across the board as purchasing power collapses
9.Real estate prices are likely to fall by at least 90% on average (with local variation)
10.The essentials will see relative price support as a much larger percentage of a much smaller money supply chases them
11.We are headed eventually for a bond market dislocation where nominal interest rates will shoot up into the double digits
12.Real interest rates will be even higher (the nominal rate minus negative inflation)
13.This will cause a tsunami of debt default which is highly deflationary
14.Government spending (all levels) will be slashed, with loss of entitlements and inability to maintain infrastructure
15.Finance rules will be changed at will and changes applied retroactively (eg short selling will be banned, loans will be called in at some point)
16.Centralized services (water, electricity, gas, education, garbage pick-up, snow-removal etc) will become unreliable and of much lower quality, or may be eliminated entirely
17.Suburbia is a trap due to its dependence on these services and cheap energy for transport
18.People with essentially no purchasing power will be living in a pay-as-you-go world
19.Modern healthcare will be largely unavailable and informal care will generally be very basic
20.Universities will go out of business as no one will be able to afford to attend
21.Cash hoarding will continue to reduce the velocity of money, amplifying the effect of deflation
22.The US dollar will continue to rise for quite a while on a flight to safety and as dollar-denominated debt deflates
23.Eventually the dollar will collapse, but that time is not now (and a falling dollar does not mean an expanding money supply, ie inflation)
24.Deflation and depression are mutually reinforcing in a positive feedback spiral, so both are likely to be protracted
25.There should be no lasting market bottom until at least the middle of the next decade, and even then the depression won't be over
26.Much capital will be revealed as having been converted to waste during the cheap energy/cheap credit years
27.Export markets will collapse with global trade and exporting countries will be hit very hard
28.Herding behaviour is the foundation of markets
29.The flip side of the manic optimism we saw in the bubble years will be persistent pessimism, risk aversion, anger, scapegoating, recrimination, violence and the election of dangerous populist extremists
30.A sense of common humanity will be lost as foreigners and those who are different are demonized
31.There will be war in the labour markets as unempoyment skyrockets and wages and benefits are slashed
32.We are headed for resource wars, which will result in much resource and infrastructure destruction
33.Energy prices are first affected by demand collapse, then supply collapse, so that prices first fall and then rise enormously
34.Ordinary people are unlikely to be able to afford oil products AT ALL within 5 years
35.Hard limits to capital and energy will greatly reduce socioeconomic complexity (see Tainter)
36.Political structures exist to concentrate wealth at the centre at the expense of the periphery, and this happens at all scales simultaneously
37.Taxation will rise substantially as the domestic population is squeezed in order for the elite to partially make up for the loss of the ability to pick the pockets of the whole world through globalization
38.Repressive political structures will arise, with much greater use of police state methods and a drastic reduction of freedom
39.The rule of law will replaced by the politics of the personal and an economy of favours (ie endemic corruption)

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15 comments:

  1. 3. & 21. are unlikely. There are just too many dollars printed. Cash may be king for a while longer, but will be reduced to pawn status.

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  2. Cash will not be king that much is certain. Prices for food are already jumping up each month, so we are seeing inflation on must have items.

    I don't think much of this list is all that accurate. At least that's the feeling I got while reading. I tend to think Bob Chapman would disagree with this list.

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  3. I honestly don't beleive number 5 will happen. By the time the crash is in full swing, you'd be hard-pressed to find a person without debt they can not repay, especially if all debts are called in. Lock up most of America? I think that would be the last straw before a revolution.

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  4. Actually, I think Bob Chapman would agree with most of this list. Things really are that bad.

    For instance, laws imposing penal servitude for debt default where already passed in 2005 while the sheeple where partying hardy and few people noticed. Those that where told took an incredulous attitude towards the news.

    #6 is already true. All those savings are going to be confiscated.

    #9 also true. There is no way to sustain anything like current real estate prices in a land of extreme poverty, social unrest, and high crime.

    14 is already true. Garbage collection will be the first service 'expended' as being the least necessary. Smell that smell..the smell that surrounds you.

    16 is also true. Sewer systems will not be maintained. More grist for the olfactory mill.

    37,38,and 39 are already in effect, and have been for some time.

    He failed to mention the Government announcing they no longer had the cash to pay any Social Security benefits. That's coming in a year or two. All hell will break loose when that happens. 47 million people in the US dependant on Social Security as I write this.

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  5. 1 and 3 is not correct. Money printing causes inflation not deflation, so dollar will be debased even more and will loose alot of its value. Tax revenues will go down and there will be less buyers of treasury bonds leaving US to keep printing and inflating.

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  6. The fed is buying the treasuries directly but what they do is print the money up and transfer it to foreign central banks ('currency swaps') and then they have the foreign central bank buy the treasury note.
    We're doing the same for them so it works out.

    Nobody knows that the FED is just printing up the cash directly...it's perfect.

    NOBODY HAS ANY CLUE WHAT THE FED IS DOING!

    Ahehaha. Genius...sheer genius.

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  7. Have dollars. Will spend. Only on items that are very cheap.
    So far I have many competing for my dollars.
    Air fare, renting an appartment for up to halve the cost of owning it, gas, furniture, all kind of services and contruction labor, clothing at Wallbox, electronics, tv's are a lot cheapers.
    Except FOOD these are items we all must buy and still can be price manipulated by creating shortages.

    However this may be the best time for the obese to rebel and STOP eating so much.

    Beter for their health, it helps stimulate deflation in healthcare.

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  8. 21&23 are true for the Great Depression, since back then US dollar was not a reserve currency. I am afraid now things will look a lot different in this respect, since 3/4 of printed dollars a circulating elsewhere. Once people sense the final collapse, these dollars will flock back into the country and it will cause inflation.

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  9. (6) is right from George Carlin: "They are coming for your retirement money so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall St"

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  10. It's amazing to me that Americans can discuss this calmly. At what point do we get angry?

    AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY?... ENOUGH!!!!!!!

    We are the sheeple we make fun of.

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  11. Anon above - only when the water, food, and fuel are shut off. Telecom gone. TV gone. Radio gone.

    When they pull the plug THEN will Americans get angry.

    The problem with that is most Americans have three days of food and water and then nothing.

    When people are starving they will submit to any terms. Game over. End of Revolution regardless of how many guns and bullets.

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  12. Our owners think of us as a potential enemy and therefore in terms of war. One of the easiest way to win a war is to cut off your enemies supply lines. That is exactly what they will do with us.

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  13. As in the Iraqi occupation you get your enemy to fight amongst themselves, to kill themselves off and do your job for you. This is war 101. We will comply of course.

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  14. This all sounds like a major bummer!

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  15. I wish to report that anonymous above smokes pot. Who do I call to get my reward?

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