U.S. Military War Gaming for Large Scale Economic Breakdown and Civil Unrest
The majority of Americans believe that recent government intervention into financial markets, the economy and corporate insolvency has reversed the economic downturn which was described by former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson as being “on the brink” in 2008. The stimulus, bailouts and unrelenting quantitative easing by the Federal Reserve have thus far been perceived as having averted the further erosion of the U.S. real estate and equities markets. And though the Federal Reserve and economic analysts have recently readjusted their economic growth forecasts downward for the next six months, Americans no longer have to worry about, as Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) said on the house floor in October of 2008, the sky falling, multi-thousand point drops in stock markets and martial law in America.
According to the report, the Army has spent time on financial market trading floors with JP Morgan and others, in the hopes that they can learn more about how a financial and economic attack may occur, and what the ramifications of such attacks on US stocks and bonds may be.
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The Army, in a year-long war games series called Unified Quest 2011, is looking at a variety of possibilities and how to deal with them, including:
* the implications of “large scale economic breakdown” inside of the United States
* how to maintain “domestic order amid civil unrest”
* and ways to deal with fragmented global power and drastically lower budgets
Clearly, the U.S. government is making contingency plans to deal with a worst-case, all-out-collapse scenario of not only the economy, but our social and political systems.
I work for the State of Cali as a Peace Officer...Several years ago FEMA came in and made us secondary responders for NATIONAL EMERGENCIES.
My department is only good at 2 things qwelling riots and keeping people locked up...I found it strange that we would even be "Deputized" for FEMA being you would have to go through: PD/Sherrifs/National Guard/Reserves and actual military first.
Preparation of things to come or coincidence?...Who knows?...Just found it very odd being state and feds NEVER get along.
I feel so much better knowing that Chairman Obama is our glorious leader. His vast understanding of the American character ensures that we will never have a police state. His formative years spent in Indonesia taught him how to rule....er, I mean govern.
In all seriousness, I hope that if a crisis ever does arise the police aren't stupid and act too heavy handed with the population. People are already heavily armed and really pissed off. The cops need to remember that they are outnumbered 200 to 1. They wouldn't stand a chance if they decided to go all Gestapo because Obama gave the order.
what's the National guard for..wars in foreign country's? what?-didn't have enough troops to be worlds policemen that used National guard as a pool of soldiers? military has killed US civ's on US soil before in the bonus march when the vets protested gov not paying them they got shot by military. guess all the amendments and acts where tossed in 2006 against having military deployed here. hear there's talk of 100B cuts next yr to pentagon budget, most likely vets and bennie's, asking active military to quell retired or disabled ex-military? go oath keepers!
Police are getting laid off not increasing. Nobody in the military will be apart of a police state when there's no pay. National Guard can't even keep the border controlled, they are losing the border war. Obama hates the military, that's why he loitered around before signing over he reinforcements to Afghanistan, four months?
The conspiracy theory about a police state in this country is moot. Obama's election proved that guys like Alex Jones had no valid information, just some speculation about how history is repeating itself and we are becoming Nazi Germany. Most of these people don't even know what Progressives are. And there is a difference in the parties, left and right. Either one going to far out is where the problems arise for either.
Obama is not the same thing as Bush. Bush was a bit to the right, not very inspiring. Obama is so far to the left, Communist, that you can't even recognize anything he believes in... you have no clue what he is. He's not a fucking Neocon, like these conspiracy theorists claim he is.
"My department is only good at 2 things qwelling riots and keeping people locked up...I found it strange that we would even be "Deputized" for FEMA being you would have to go through: PD/Sherrifs/National Guard/Reserves and actual military first."
I thought SWAT were the responders to riots and acted as riot squads? Any people working to subdue riots have to be specialized in that which means they already were police officers or in the army. Same way you can't just sign up for the Navy Seals or Delta, you have to have many qualifications, like a few years of active service, certain age, male (in SF yes), airborne training, etc.
Also, National Guard is not related to police, sheriffs are also region specific and not something that exists in most police departments.
Finally, FEMA doesn't have any military operations acting with it. What do you mean FEMA workers go through military training? The requirements are actually none of those you mentioned. Here's what they offer interns from their page:
"What positions may be available for FEMA career interns?
Emergency Management and Program Analysis Marketing and Social Media Financial Management/Budget/Contracting Program and Management Analysis Information Technology Human Resources"
Those jobs are government administration jobs. Not military. A single example of a person responding to Emergency Management and Program Analysis are the idiots that couldn't get the phone calls done correctly in Katrina. They get paid to sit behind a desk doing nothing. Government jobs... incompetent, lazy, rude, and overpaid. That's what FEMA helps make in their interns. Not soldiers, spies, or prison guards for some camps that haven't been used since the 1940s.
Did you make all of that up about your "Peace Officer" job 10:53?
Qualifications for FEMA is a Bachelor's Degree, nothing mentioned about military. I think this FEMA stuff is really untenable at this point. Call me a disinfo goon, but I am preparing for this economic meltdown we are about to have, or have been having. FEMA is not one of my concerns.
What do you think cops are people? They get killed everyday when they either are alone or didn't have their gun out. There is nothing fancy about any of these people. My neighbor is a prison guard, he is just an average joe, nothing magical about him or his training. A marine would be a bit different, they are required to be conditioned physically. Police and prisons will take anybody who comes along. They are given low stantards for physical fitness and are usually taught poorly how to handle their firearms.
Now the states can't afford them, so what happens? Standards will become even lower, less resources to train people with, less ability to afford them equipment (or for the cops themselves to purchase it), and less ability to pay them. You could perhaps donate money to the departments to help arm them better...
2:46 Watch the movie "The Experiment". Pay some normal folk to imprison some normal folk, tell the new guards you have control and watch what the "normal folks" do.
4:05 Actually the US has millions of us. Then you can add in the non hunting recreational target shooters, Bikers,survivalists,farmers... well you get the picture. Most everyone has been screwed over by the government at some point.
I am a peace officer for CDC & R and we DID have FEMA come in and have us fill some bubblesheets with our info to have on file if they "Ever need us for an emergency."
Emergency not specified...I'm sure they meant earthquake, fire, floods etc but the thing nothing was specified nor excluded.
If it's not written then it can be used...And yes we use Mini-14's, riot gear, Mk-4's Mk-9's Mk-46's, we use gas grenades of CN and we still have CS in the armory, 9 mm's, 38's, shotguns, 37mm and 40mm direct impact guns which shoot gas, wooden blocks, rubber scat and sponge rounds.
By the way during some stupid immigration illegal parade about 2-3 years ago, they had us waiting for possible riot use up in Salinas Ca.
We never had to get involved since the PD kept the peace but we were a block away dressed in gear...Just like the ones you see in riots around the world
So...Would you like to touch the wounds on my hand Thomas?
Thanks for the information and insight about that. They way I see it is that if society implodes, the economy crashes out completely, and things start getting real hairy, well the government is going to look to employ every and all remaining resources until they get exhausted. What is the pay rate of prison police compared to regular police, swat, fbi, contractors and so on? Morever, if you are tasked with policing AND jailing large amounts of people - resistors, protestors, unruly cities - then maybe it makes sense to have you, the prison police, on board. At this point it is only speculation.
The question is, in a crumbling, bankrupted economy how are they going to maintain "prison camps" if it were even to get to that point. The prison population is already overcrowded and expensive. Some states are already considering letting some of them go because of budget constraints. Is it feasible then to make interment camps out of half or more of the population? I say not. But they could become specialized places for war resistors or other wanteds, just like with the American Japanese in WWII.
1:43 I have no idea the pay rate in an emergency but as in ANY country or empire that is crumbling there is one sad rule:
Feed and keep your troops happy
IF there is a collapse maybe debit cards to buy products that have disappeared will be given to those who are in power or those who do the military and law enforcement...Certain foundations of society CANNOT disappear or chaos will eat everything...IE Military, guards, cops, firemen and medical staff.
I have always asked if there is a contigency plan for a collapse?...What do we do with Lifer Inmates when due to an emergency there is no more food, water or electricity? I mean in my prison alone we have over 3800 and we run a small institution.
If the state or feds don't come in what do we do with 168,000 inmates...Just in Cali?
I say look to the collapse of the prison system in the USSR as an example...In some gates were opened...In others people disappeared...Either way scary thoughts in scary times.
This is a staged revolution, chreck out entp.org i have a user account that talks a lot about it... also in that picture, the national guard with a guy holding a sign sayin"food now"... this sign is pointed directly aat the camera which is odd considering the angle... this picture was taken on purpose to cause a stir...
I work for the State of Cali as a Peace Officer...Several years ago FEMA came in and made us secondary responders for NATIONAL EMERGENCIES.
ReplyDeleteMy department is only good at 2 things qwelling riots and keeping people locked up...I found it strange that we would even be "Deputized" for FEMA being you would have to go through: PD/Sherrifs/National Guard/Reserves and actual military first.
Preparation of things to come or coincidence?...Who knows?...Just found it very odd being state and feds NEVER get along.
I feel so much better knowing that Chairman Obama is our glorious leader. His vast understanding of the American character ensures that we will never have a police state. His formative years spent in Indonesia taught him how to rule....er, I mean govern.
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness, I hope that if a crisis ever does arise the police aren't stupid and act too heavy handed with the population. People are already heavily armed and really pissed off. The cops need to remember that they are outnumbered 200 to 1. They wouldn't stand a chance if they decided to go all Gestapo because Obama gave the order.
what's the National guard for..wars in foreign country's? what?-didn't have enough troops to be worlds policemen that used National guard as a pool of soldiers? military has killed US civ's on US soil before in the bonus march when the vets protested gov not paying them they got shot by military. guess all the amendments and acts where tossed in 2006 against having military deployed here. hear there's talk of 100B cuts next yr to pentagon budget, most likely vets and bennie's, asking active military to quell retired or disabled ex-military?
ReplyDeletego oath keepers!
Police are getting laid off not increasing. Nobody in the military will be apart of a police state when there's no pay. National Guard can't even keep the border controlled, they are losing the border war. Obama hates the military, that's why he loitered around before signing over he reinforcements to Afghanistan, four months?
ReplyDeleteThe conspiracy theory about a police state in this country is moot. Obama's election proved that guys like Alex Jones had no valid information, just some speculation about how history is repeating itself and we are becoming Nazi Germany. Most of these people don't even know what Progressives are. And there is a difference in the parties, left and right. Either one going to far out is where the problems arise for either.
Obama is not the same thing as Bush. Bush was a bit to the right, not very inspiring. Obama is so far to the left, Communist, that you can't even recognize anything he believes in... you have no clue what he is. He's not a fucking Neocon, like these conspiracy theorists claim he is.
"My department is only good at 2 things qwelling riots and keeping people locked up...I found it strange that we would even be "Deputized" for FEMA being you would have to go through: PD/Sherrifs/National Guard/Reserves and actual military first."
I thought SWAT were the responders to riots and acted as riot squads? Any people working to subdue riots have to be specialized in that which means they already were police officers or in the army. Same way you can't just sign up for the Navy Seals or Delta, you have to have many qualifications, like a few years of active service, certain age, male (in SF yes), airborne training, etc.
Also, National Guard is not related to police, sheriffs are also region specific and not something that exists in most police departments.
Finally, FEMA doesn't have any military operations acting with it. What do you mean FEMA workers go through military training? The requirements are actually none of those you mentioned. Here's what they offer interns from their page:
"What positions may be available for FEMA career interns?
Emergency Management and Program Analysis
Marketing and Social Media
Financial Management/Budget/Contracting
Program and Management Analysis
Information Technology
Human Resources"
Those jobs are government administration jobs. Not military. A single example of a person responding to Emergency Management and Program Analysis are the idiots that couldn't get the phone calls done correctly in Katrina. They get paid to sit behind a desk doing nothing. Government jobs... incompetent, lazy, rude, and overpaid. That's what FEMA helps make in their interns. Not soldiers, spies, or prison guards for some camps that haven't been used since the 1940s.
Did you make all of that up about your "Peace Officer" job 10:53?
Qualifications for FEMA is a Bachelor's Degree, nothing mentioned about military. I think this FEMA stuff is really untenable at this point. Call me a disinfo goon, but I am preparing for this economic meltdown we are about to have, or have been having. FEMA is not one of my concerns.
What do you think cops are people? They get killed everyday when they either are alone or didn't have their gun out. There is nothing fancy about any of these people. My neighbor is a prison guard, he is just an average joe, nothing magical about him or his training. A marine would be a bit different, they are required to be conditioned physically. Police and prisons will take anybody who comes along. They are given low stantards for physical fitness and are usually taught poorly how to handle their firearms.
Now the states can't afford them, so what happens? Standards will become even lower, less resources to train people with, less ability to afford them equipment (or for the cops themselves to purchase it), and less ability to pay them. You could perhaps donate money to the departments to help arm them better...
2:46 Watch the movie "The Experiment". Pay some normal folk to imprison some normal folk, tell the new guards you have control and watch what the "normal folks" do.
ReplyDeleteDo you know what type of person makes the very best tactical soldiers, marines, special ops,
ReplyDeletesnipers and such?
Skilled hunters
Fortunatly for all of you city dwellers out there; here in Pennsylvania; we have hundreds of thousands of them !
VERY WELL ARMED
4:05 Actually the US has millions of us. Then you can add in the non hunting recreational target shooters, Bikers,survivalists,farmers... well you get the picture. Most everyone has been screwed over by the government at some point.
ReplyDelete2:46...Yawn.
ReplyDeleteI am a peace officer for CDC & R and we DID have FEMA come in and have us fill some bubblesheets with our info to have on file if they "Ever need us for an emergency."
Emergency not specified...I'm sure they meant earthquake, fire, floods etc but the thing nothing was specified nor excluded.
If it's not written then it can be used...And yes we use Mini-14's, riot gear, Mk-4's Mk-9's Mk-46's, we use gas grenades of CN and we still have CS in the armory, 9 mm's, 38's, shotguns, 37mm and 40mm direct impact guns which shoot gas, wooden blocks, rubber scat and sponge rounds.
By the way during some stupid immigration illegal parade about 2-3 years ago, they had us waiting for possible riot use up in Salinas Ca.
We never had to get involved since the PD kept the peace but we were a block away dressed in gear...Just like the ones you see in riots around the world
So...Would you like to touch the wounds on my hand Thomas?
Thanks for the information and insight about that. They way I see it is that if society implodes, the economy crashes out completely, and things start getting real hairy, well the government is going to look to employ every and all remaining resources until they get exhausted. What is the pay rate of prison police compared to regular police, swat, fbi, contractors and so on? Morever, if you are tasked with policing AND jailing large amounts of people - resistors, protestors, unruly cities - then maybe it makes sense to have you, the prison police, on board. At this point it is only speculation.
ReplyDeleteThe question is, in a crumbling, bankrupted economy how are they going to maintain "prison camps" if it were even to get to that point. The prison population is already overcrowded and expensive. Some states are already considering letting some of them go because of budget constraints. Is it feasible then to make interment camps out of half or more of the population? I say not. But they could become specialized places for war resistors or other wanteds, just like with the American Japanese in WWII.
1:43 I have no idea the pay rate in an emergency but as in ANY country or empire that is crumbling there is one sad rule:
ReplyDeleteFeed and keep your troops happy
IF there is a collapse maybe debit cards to buy products that have disappeared will be given to those who are in power or those who do the military and law enforcement...Certain foundations of society CANNOT disappear or chaos will eat everything...IE Military, guards, cops, firemen and medical staff.
I have always asked if there is a contigency plan for a collapse?...What do we do with Lifer Inmates when due to an emergency there is no more food, water or electricity? I mean in my prison alone we have over 3800 and we run a small institution.
If the state or feds don't come in what do we do with 168,000 inmates...Just in Cali?
I say look to the collapse of the prison system in the USSR as an example...In some gates were opened...In others people disappeared...Either way scary thoughts in scary times.
This is a staged revolution, chreck out entp.org i have a user account that talks a lot about it... also in that picture, the national guard with a guy holding a sign sayin"food now"... this sign is pointed directly aat the camera which is odd considering the angle... this picture was taken on purpose to cause a stir...
ReplyDelete